What’s wrong with Christianity in America today?
I’ll tell you.
Apparently 6 million self-described, evangelical, born-again Christians support killing babies in the womb (abortion), gay-marriage, and believe the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God.
6 MILLION!
This number could even be much, much higher! This revelation should sadden you greatly. It appears we have come to this time (spoken of in 2 Timothy 4:3-4):
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
If this passage describes you and the faith you follow, you need to know that this ‘New Christianity’ is a false religion. No one cannot say they believe and follow Jesus, change His attributes, and then believe it’s all still the same. It is not the same. Those who do this have taken the Lord’s name in vain. Jesus Christ is the Word and He is inerrant! He does not advocate abortion or gay marriage! If you think He does, you are following a different Jesus.
American Christians (and you know who you are), must repent. Read the following verse again and again and consider its serious implication:
“If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”
(2 Chronicles 7:14)
Until Christians ‘turn from their wicked ways,’ our land will not be healed. Ignore this admonition from God and He will not hear your prayers and pleadings, and your sin will not be forgiven. Of course issues such as abortion and gay marriage are just the tip of iceberg. The vile activities that ‘New Christianity’ advocates (and justifies) are an abomination to the true and living God, but regardless of what you did (or formerly believed), today, right now, you can turn away from it all, confess it for the sin that it is, and turn to the real Jesus for salvation and healing.
“God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up. (James 4:6b-10)
Humble yourself before the Lord. Repent. Confess. Be saved.
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- Taking the Lord’s Name in Vain
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- It’s Not My Opinion, It’s My Bible
- The Great Wisdom Deception
- Christendom: Time To Unite (reverenddrred.wordpress.com)
- Called By My Name (sharondmiddleton.wordpress.com)
- Don’t Give Up The Fight (reverenddrred.wordpress.com)
- Congratulations President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden! Surprised? (mitsilancer.wordpress.com)
- Christianity Isn’t Dying (frstephensmuts.wordpress.com)
- I Will Heal (aliciareagan.wordpress.com)
- Christianity in America: The Best of Times or the Worst of Times? (restart.typepad.com)
- The (Futile?) Search for Christian America (reformedreader.wordpress.com)
- So what now? 7 sets of questions to ask after President Obama’s reelection. (lynleahz.com)
*** While it seems this article was written in response to the 2012 Presidential election, the reality is the blog is not political; my genuine concern is for the lost, the misguided, and the like. A person’s salvation is of much more importance. (The fact of the matter is I did not vote for Mr. Obama or Mr. Romney, but voted for another individual). If you agree with the sound Biblical premise of the blog, please share it on Facebook, twitter, or other social media.
These Christians started the demise of this so-called Christian nation
When my ancestors were brought here as slaves
When women were raped in front of their husbands
When children were sold from their families
When men and women were beaten to death and the murders were not held accountable
When you told people they were inferior all their lives
When you took your children to see humans hang other humans
And called yourself Christians, are you kidding me. You seem to forget that, this history is enough to doom this country without gay marriages, abortions ( how many blacks were killed just because). Give the world a break. God ain’t stupid and he does not have selective memory. You think the blood of slaves will go unanswered. Not!!! So don’t blame the demise of this country on what is going on now, although you reap what you so. Destiny started when you build this country on the proceeds of the slave trade and benefited from white privilege and used bible scriptures to justify, accept and do nothing about it although you were Christians and knew what Jesus expected of his followers. You sold people into slavery and thought you would never have to pay. Something is very psychotic about a religion that would let you sleep peaceful and justify your Christian behavior towards another human. Those are scary Christians. Real Christians like Jesus could never have allowed or participated in slavery, injustice, greed, hypocrisy, discrimination, theft. Don’t sit in judgement of gays or bortionist until you own the rest of this country’s shameful history. Stop omitting the brutal history of slavery and it’s collateral damage when you talk about the actions of Christians.
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You’re right, sinning Christians are nothing new. Abusing and murdering negroes of yesteryear; abusing and killing babies today, the era matters not. That’s why this message needs to be shared again and again.
“If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”
(2 Chronicles 7:14)
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Such is the cry of my heart. The truth is the Truth no matter what man tries to twist it into. My spirit weeps for those so blinded & rebellious. May God be glorified through His people!
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Amen
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Yes, Robert, the revelation of the Secret, which God kept secret from the foundation of the world was 1st revealed to Paul the apostle by Christ Jesus, post resurrection. Jesus did’t know about it pre-resurrection. Mystery is a transliteration (for those who may not know), not a translation. It is correctly translates a “secret.”
1 Co 2:7-8
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
KJV
If anyone other than God Almighty knew this secret, Jesus Christ would not have been been crucified.
Eph 3:1-4
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation (administration) of the grace of God which is given me to youward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the Secret; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the secret of Christ)
KJV
The revelation of this secret was 1st and foremost made available to Paul, not Jesus. God could not afford to jeopardize His plan in any way, shape or form.
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@Fred: Thanks to share your thoughts here! I like the Text’s of 1 Cor. 2: 7-8 here. But as concerns the Incarnate Christ, He always had the Immutability of God within, as during the Incarnation, and even before as the Eternal Son, “Who is the image of the invisible God” (Col. 1:15, etc.) Note also, (Gen, 18:1-2, etc.)…in theology we call this a Theophany: a manifestation of God, and here we can note God’s triune being. In the NT, see the Transfiguration, (Matt. 17, etc).
Yes, the Texts in Gospel you quote are not easy! But press us into a parcel Preterist position to my mind. Indeed double (parcel) interpretations or fulfillments! We must always be humbled by the Word of God, “we” again only “know” in part, as Paul said! (1 Cor. 13: 9, noting too verses 10 thru 12). Surely St. Paul’s “Musterion”, is actually truth revealed, noting Col. 1: 26, but of course biblically and by revelation! Note too, that the “Rapture” is also one of those “mysteries” (musterion), revealed by God through Paul, (1 Cor. 15: 51)…”Behold, or listen, I will tell you a mystery!” “WE will not all die, etc…” WOW!
Let us all continue (who know and love the Lord and His Word) to keep the Word before us… “Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”! (Ps. 119: 11)
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And btw, one of your so-called Navy Corpsman saved my life in the Nam, of course we called him “Doc”! (He was a Recon Doc, and always one of us, all!) Though later (this) “Doc” was taken, killed! RIP! He was a Mormon as I remember.
It is always nice to meet people older than me! I love it! lol 😉 Were “brothers” in more than just Christ, i.e. the Nam! I was what you call a “mustang” (enlisted to officer…I retired a Captain, Reserves), and went back in Gulf War 1, in my early 40’s. Some of us RMC’s had some deep penetration missions there. Again, Semper Fi!
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TO ROBERT: I even had two different guys whom I do not know from Adam start bashing me because my posts go to linked in..they told me I need to get off linked it..it’s for business and said some pretty mean things to me..for no reason. It’s just been ‘one’ of those kinds of days….. one attack after another. I told those guys God is welcome to go where He pleases (they were offended by my Christian posts) and since He made everything, if He wants to be on linked in, He will be and they can’t do anything about it. LOL I have never seen so much scorn, contempt, and hatred for God as what I see in the past year or two. It’s awful!
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I put a few links in a comment and my comment went to moderation Dave..sorry. Could you check your spam folder? Thanks so much!!!
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Furthermore, I’m not Catholic..so I’m not going to understand any of your Catholic theology.. I’m just Christian non-denominational. Jesus didn’t belong to a denomination, nor was He catholic pentecostal or presbytirian… that is where Christians get into trouble…getting wrapped up in doctrinal theologies and self importance. I study my Bible, I pray, I help people and act kindly to them, I pray for my enemies…I love the Lord with all of my heart and soul and serve Him continuously. SO there’s nothing here for anyone to keep nit picking on me. Thank you.
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Biblical truth is always in “spirit and truth”, as our Lord said! But, we must seek the visible & invisible Church of God also, but here Christ is Head, and Lord and God (the Incarnate God-Man), the One and only Mediator, where HE sits as prophet, priest & king!
‘Come Lord Jesus’!
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fredswolfe, You are in error. You are so much like so many who call themselves, “Christians” who create their own brand of truth. You pick and choose the scriptures you want to support your interpretation of God’s Truth. I won’t waste any of my precious time arguing theology with you. But I suggest you do a little digging in God’s Word to discover what His truth is. Lyn did a great job of explaining it to you and, like many others, you choose to use your own brand of theology to support your error. Like Lyn, I will pray for you. I wish you well, my friend.
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Furthermore, if you watch events happening now closely…. we are there. Forget about prophecy scholars…all you have to do is look in the Bible to know we’re in the days of judgment. It seems like we have a difference in opinoin.i’m not going to convince you of mine, and you are not going to convince me of yours… but that’s okay…we are family and needn’t be so defensive and arguing toward one another like this. We have a different perception of the times… But I’m sorry if my use of a word caused you to think I was being rude to you….that wasn’t meant that way at all. It was as I explained. People are very quick on here, I’ve noticed, to jump the gun before they ask someone first how they meant something. We should always do that, and sometimes I’ve been bad myself…but you’re always going to have miscommunications when it comes to writing because you don’t k now the people personally, you can’t see their face or hear their voice. God bless.
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Well made point.
Thankyou for linking to my articles.
We must, as a nation, repent and return to Christ. The times are about to get very scary.
God Bless
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God bless you sir!
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Oh Dave..how rude of me..thank you, btw, for the link. God bless you! ♥♥♥
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NP — God bless you as well!
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Here are the reasons the GOP Lost the 2012 Elections:
1. President Barack Hussein Obama, is A Christian-Romney & Ryan are Not!
2. It seems to me the only Woman ever given the choice to be a Mother or Not Agreed to be the Mother of Jesus Christ; by saying “Let It Be” God used this woman because She was chosen to be the Holy Hostess and so NO Man even Jesus Christ himself could claim to be His or Our Father.
3. Those who believe in Jesus Christ are all members of the Church, and the Other body of Jesus Christ were told over and over again “Male and female made He them” or “It is for this cause the man (Adam or Jesus) is to leave His father and His mother (i.e., One GOD Parent) to Cleave unto His Wife (Eve or Me) and they two shall be One Flesh” Unfortunately most men taught to preach the Bible forgot all about One little Bone that was inside of the 1st Adam as well as inside Jesus Christ. This bone like Eve was the Anti Christ, the Twin Sister of Jesus Christ and His espoused Wife.
4. So to make a Long story short alls this woman has to do is Come Forth, in the Name of the Lord, as Satan, risen and reborn in the Flesh as a Daughter of God transformed now as an Angel of Light and born with the Right to be called Mrs. Jesus Christ.
5. So the GOP LOST because they didnt Know; GOD is Black and Fat as Aunt Jemima Grinning at US on the pancake box and that’s why even Jesus Christ himself called GOD our Fat Her Who Art In Heaven, Right. Remember Male and female made He them; and the GOP tried to take the Female’s Rights to Choose whether they Want to be Pregnant or Not
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You need to fact check yourself.
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This is NOT a blog about President Obama. This is a blog about Christians needing to humble themselves and turn away from their wicked ways. God bless you.
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Amen!!!! Preach it Dave! God bless you! We’ve idolized this man..it’s all about God….one hundred percent, and leading the lost to Christ!
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2 Chronicles 7:14, the call to the world! “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. ” 2 Chronicles 7:14 God’s call to the world! Are you ready? Amen and amen!
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2 Chronicles is written to Israel, sorry. It is not God’s call to the world. God’s call to us and the world is that all men be saved by the grace of the Lord, Jesus Christ and for all men to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
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The whole Bible was written to all of us…shame on you!
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According to Ephesians 2:8 it is (by) God’s grace we’ve been saved through ‘faith.’ So the question that remains is, “What is faith?”
Here is the answer, as taken from Webster’s 1828 Dictionary:
“Evangelical, justifying, or saving faith, is the assent of the mind to the truth of divine revelation, on the authority of God’s testimony, accompanied with a cordial assent of the will or approbation of the heart; an entire confidence or trust in God’s character and declarations, and in the character and doctrines of Christ, with an unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance, and dependence on his merits for salvation. In other words, that firm belief of God’s testimony, and of the truth of the gospel, which influences the will, and leads to an entire reliance on Christ for salvation.”
Phrases that jump off the page in that definition are:
1) Authority of God’s testimony
2) Approbation of the heart
3) Entire confidence or trust in God’s character and declarations…doctrines
4) Unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance,
5) Entire reliance on Christ
6) Obedience (from earlier in the def.)
Faith is more than just a heartfelt acknowledgement. It clearly jives with obedience to His written word. In that light, willful disobedience is akin to faithlessness.
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Amen brother Dave. Amen!
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Amen! Go to my blog and type in Chrislam in the search bar, if you’ve not heard of it… these are the t ypes of Christians supporting this false doctrine..lukewarm people who label themselves Christians but aren’t! And here’s what the Lord just gave to me, I’ll share with you! God bless you brother!http://lynleahz.com/2012/11/08/when-david-trusted-in-the-power-of-man-instead-of-the-power-of-god/
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The majority of Christianity has been practicing falsely since 325 A.D. Even the Muslims know that there is only One True God. But the point of your article is very good and relative to this day and age. Many Christians today are not following the example Jesus gave us in the person and revelation of Paul the apostle and his gospel which is in Christ.
http://fredswolfe.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/is-your-faith-based-on-another-gospel/
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My goodness..there has been false religion since back in the day of King David and before that..I’m aware of that. I am focusing more on the times and Bible prophecy..and the ‘false’ one world religion spoken of in Revelation. God bless you. 😉
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“My goodness?” What am I missing? Events in the book of Rev will not occur until after the Rapture. All the prophesies in the gospels and before concern Revelation. No one including JC new about the time in which we now live so there can be no prophesies that apply to it. See my post on the Secret.
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?? I meant my goodness in relation to false religion…like “My goodness..false religion is everywhere…” not toward you! I was letting you know that I know about false religion being around since way back in Bible times, but that I was referencing the time period that is now. And we are in the times of the return of Christ. I beg to differ..we are in the days discussed in Daniel and REvelation..and most all of the prophecy scholars are teaching this… Perry Stone, Joel Rosenberg, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, John Hagee, Billy Graham…etc. I am not sure why you are being defensive with me. I was being kind in my response to you…however, you took me wrong. YOu took the fact that I said “my goodness” toward yourself when I meant it toward sin and false religion… God bless you.
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That is why I asked what you meant by “my goodness.” Yes misunderstandings in this format are prolific. No problem. The reason Perry Stone, Joel Rosenberg, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, John Hagee, Billy Graham…etc. are teaching what they do is because none of them “rightly divide” the Word of Truth. This is one of the things Paul wrote to Timothy and all would-be leaders after him to do. Orthotomeo is a critical word in Greek. Failure to rightly divide the Word of truth has led to many being ashamed or having egg on their face. I may not be able to convince you of anything and that’s okay with me because you don’t have to stand approved to me. But as a worker in the Word it would behoove you to not care about 2Ti 2:15.
The oikonomeo of the Secret was first revealed to Paul. Jesus didn’t know about it and neither did any prophet before him. It is impossible to prophesy about a time that was hidden from everyone who preceded Paul. Jesus knew what Daniel wrote very well. Well enough that Jesus told some of his disciples that some of them would not die until they saw him coming back in the clouds according to the 2 relatively 3.5 year time periods Daniel wrote about. You see, they thought just like you and most everyone else thinks now! Jesus was 99% sure he was returning in 7 years after his ascension. After he had said this and some other things, he realized that it was really up to his Father to make such a decision and said so.
How do you explain this? What rational explanation can you give for the Son of God not getting this right?
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With all due respect, what you are saying is false doctrine. Jesus is God in the flesh for one thing, and Jesus was never wrong. He said that some standing there would not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom. Matthew 16:28
This passage has caused countless people much trouble because it is not easy to understand.
Remember that after this statement was made, Jesus was crucified and placed in a tomb (dead) and that with His death His followers lost sight of the Hope that He promised because they were looking for an earthly ruler to free them from the oppression of the Romans. When He died, that hope died with it!
However, Jesus came to be so much more than an earthly King; He came to be The King of kings and The Lord of lords, establishing a Kingdom that would endure forever.
Upon His resurrection, that Hope was restored and His followers were finally able to start seeing things from a different point of view; from the point of view of a Risen Savior Who had conquered death, hell and the grave, thereby eliminating the fear of death.
Over 500 people saw Jesus after His resurrection from the grave. Then Paul was granted a special revelation of the Kingdom of heaven and, finally, John was given the revelation that comprises the last book of the New Testament.
So, many people who were standing there when Jesus said this saw the POWER of God and the POWER of His Kingdom through the resurrection of Jesus and through the revelations given to Paul and John.
That’s a pretty bold statement to say that, not only are men of God who have studied this stuff most of their lives and spent much time with the Father are wrong, but to say Jesus was wrong as well.
Look, this is someone else’s blog here, and I am not about to be privy to an argument, lest I disrespect God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and my brother who runs this page. All I can say is that I don’t buy into false doctrine. I go by what the Word of the Lord says, and Is study it in its original Greek/Hebrew and pray about it and everything. The bible tells us, “Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15 That is what i do. You are the first person, other than athiests, whom I have ever heard state that Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about. That is disrespectful and bold!
You can respond to me, but i will not read it or respond further on this, dear one. God bless you. I will keep you in my prayers. Lord have mercy!
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What does “rightly dividing the word of truth” mean? Anyone, since Lyn is done.
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I am done with the arguing, but I don’t mind giving my interpretation of that. Rightly dividing the truth means viewing it as a whole living being instead of disecting it in parts..taking parts out of context in order to make it fit something someone is trying to say. The Word of God is alive. To separate it and divide it in parts would be like dividing the whole person you are into an arm or a leg..or a foot. You are not a foot or an arm or a leg…you are a whole living being who has arms, legs, and feet. I am only done with the argument. People who are misled will only see the truth by prayer and by the Holy Spirit. My arguing with you is not going to change your heart, just as you arguing with me is not going to lead me to believe false doctrine. I’m strongly rooted in Christ and His word. Hiw Word tells us that it is foolish to argue over these things… it refers to it as “foolish disputes…” They dishonor God. I will not dishonor Him, so I will walk away from that discussion knowing I am pleasing Him. I have nothing to prove..the Word of God stands on its own. It does not need me except to carry the Truth to those who do not know Him. We are the feet of God, the carriers of His Holy Spirit and His Holy Message. God bless.
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Nothing could be further from the truth. We are not the body; we are arms, legs, feet, eyes, noses and ears. Dissecting is exactly what orthotomeo means. What is wrong with arguing? How else does iron sharpen iron? Nothing can be sharpened without some friction. The body is Christ and we are its members. I don’t want your interpretation, I want its interpretation, as it interprets itself. Look it up in your Greek lexicon, then you won’t have to guess.
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Sadly, you are not using the Greek word “orthotomeo” correctly, as the meaning is handling the word of God in “right” manner! We can see in this too in the Septuagint Greek use, see Prov. 3: 6 and 11:5…”righteousness traces out blamesless paths”. Again the meaning is handing and using God’s Word in the “right” manner, i.e. teaching Scripture accurately, Scripture with Scripture! The ESV nicely translates this whole verse: “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.” (2 Tim. 2:15) Both a godly man and the Godly Text!
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Are you speaking to me, Robert? I copied and pasted that from Bible Gateway…
Let me ask everyone this..I don’t know if it’s the election stuff.. but I have found all over the net..and have noticed to blogs I subscribe to…people doing a lot of arguing tonight and nit picking on people. What, may I ask, is up with that? Is the body so divided that Christians have nothing better to do than to go around bashing one another and picking fights? I’m serious. This has been all day long I have noticed brothers and sisters picking fights, arguing, correcting each other rudely… it’s awful. You know, I came here to respond to this man’s post earlier..didn’t bother a single person present… yet I have two different people wanting to somehow find fault with me for nothing..now over what “VERSION” I copied and pasted a verse in? Do you all thrive on having to look knowledgeable or self important? I’ll tell you what…when you kneel before God..see if what version I posted a verse in is all that important..or fancey dancy Greek words. I’ve about had as much of this bickering and nit picking as I can take for the night. I need to go pray for the body of Christ… it is a very sad sad sight, I must say. God bless.
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All versions and translations of the Bible are essentially interpretations. We know that the Word is of “no private, idios, interpretation.” Here is Strong’s definition of “Rightly Dividing” irrespective of what you or I think:
NT:3718 orthotomeo (or-thot-om-eh’-o); from a compound of NT:3717 and the base of NT:5114, to make a straight cut, i.e. (figuratively) to dissect (expound) correctly (the divine message):
NT:3717 orthos (or-thos’); probably from the base of NT:3735; right (as rising), i.e. (perpendicularly) erect (figuratively, honest), or (horizontally) level or direct
NT:5114 tomoteros (tom-o’-ter-os); comparative of a derivative of the primary temno (to cut; more comprehensive or decisive than NT:2875, as if by a single stroke; whereas that implies repeated blows, like hacking); more keen:*
The Word of God is correctly divided into 8 sections, written to either Jews, Gentiles or the Church of God. Feel free to see my book on the subject at http://fredswolfe.com;
See more at another fella’s site http://www.thelivingtruthfellowship.org/jtltf/bible-teachings/articles-by-topc/administrations
Enough said. God bless.
*(Biblesoft’s New Exhaustive Strong’s Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
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No Lyn, I was speaking to “fredswolfe” and his idea of “orthotomeo”. And note I am not a “Catholic”, but an Anglican priest/presbyter, and I am quite Reformed and Reformational, at least on the doctrines of grace. Though I am Historic Pre-Mill on the End-Times and Eschatology. And yeah, I am one of those old “theolog” types! 😉 Note, I am an Irish Brit, but living and semi-retired in the US, mostly now I do hospital chaplain work. But I still love to preach when I can, also do some retreats.. and do teach some theology still. I used to live and teach in Israel in the late 90’s. I also fought in Gulf War 1 (Royal Marine), and here first touched modern Israel. I love the Modern Nation of Israel! I am a “Biblical” Zionist! 🙂
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Well I relent…the post you just made came to me as to Lyn Leahz. I’m not being very Christian tonight anyway..I’m letting myself get way too irritated. I am upset tonight because all I see is a bunch of Christians sitting around cursing democrats and our government. I’m not a democrat. I am not a republican. I’m just a Christian. All day long everyone has been doing nothing but posting angry posts that don’t glorify God. They are not having faith in the Lord. They are bickering, complaining, getting mad… everyone I have gone, and not just toward me, people have been picking fights, nit picking..arguing…everything. It has really saddened me. I am a kind hearted person..sorry you’re catching a side of me that rarely comes out…and I can’t tell you how many people have nit picked me and started debates with me, calling it ‘godly’ like this fedswolfe person here… basically, denying what the Bible says. I am so fed up with all of the false doctrine I am seeing and people looking to a man to lead them out of trouble instead of God. We should not be upset for the person God chose…God is God. He calls all of the shots. We need to have faith in God and not in man. It’s just been a bad day. No one can seem to get out of their negative mode, and then we have ‘those’ who just want to debate, argue, and bicker..which isn’t very godly no matter what they say. God wants us to correct each other with truth..not false doctrine. And I’m not referring to you. So I apologize..my bad. I hope you’ll forgive me for jumping the gun..I just called the other guy here earlier on jumping the gun with me and here i did what I corrected him for to you… I am very sorry and humble myself before you. I was in the wrong. Forgive me. 😉
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You’ll have to see here to know what I mean Robert. http://lynleahz.com/2012/11/08/when-david-trusted-in-the-power-of-man-instead-of-the-power-of-god/ and http://lynleahz.com/2012/11/08/are-we-finally-feeling-the-pain-of-our-depraved-indifference/ i don’t mean to be repetitive..as I posted these for the author of this page earlier today..but in case you didn’t see them, this is the best way I know how to explain how I feel without coming across wrong. God bless you, and thank you in advance for your forgiveness.
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Not a problem Lyn, my wife is also an Irish Brit, but she was not happy to see the whole American Election thing, either.. the many months of it! Of course though we did not vote, we did see the movie 2016 about Obama, and wow what an eye opener that was! But then hey, I am a retired (over ten years active, plus Reserves) RMC (Royal Marine Commando, officer), and certainly a conservative, but both biblically and politically! So nothing to forgive here, and we all have our positions and places, even as Christians. I know I have mine! But then I am a “theolog” for sure! 😉
God Bless! 🙂
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Well thank you for forgiving me so kindly when I was out of line and rude to you..even if you had directed that at me, after I responded, I thought I was rude and needed to get off the internet for the night! So thank you and God bless you. I am sorry for giving you such a crummy first impression! LOL You’ll have to visit my blog and see that I’m not normally that way. Like I said, it’s been a bad day, but that’s no excuse. As a Christian, I should not allow myself to get my feelings hurt so easily. The enemy knows my weak areas, that’s for sure, and uses it against me…I’m a sensitive, caring person..which works to my disadvantage when under fire…I allow myself to get hurt. I should pray harder against that soft spot that gets wounded all too easily. God bless you my friend, and again, thank you.
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@Lyn: This is my first time around this blog, the blog host here.. visted mine, so here I am! Nice to note your a writer! I myself hold two theological doctorates, both the D. Phil., and Th.D., so I can get into that whole world! But, I don’t use the term “doctor”, but prefer just the pastoral, from my world Anglican. Note I am an Evangelical! 🙂
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You should talk to my friend Tim..He’s the Exec Vice Pres of Oral Roberts University. I met him on Joel Rosenberg’s blog and now we write back and forth often. You and he could have some great theological conversations! He and I love talking about Bible Prophecy…he is really smart about it, and whenever I have a question, he has the answer..usually. 😉 In fact, I was upset tonight and he gave me some great advice..He responded to one of my posts here on the blogs on FB (they upload to facebook) and I told him how bad of a night I was going through..he gave me some encouraging words..great guy!
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@Fred: I have the Strongs too, plus just about all the rest (which I won’t list). And Greek word studies alone, do not give the exact meaning of how any Greek word is used, we always must see the Greek syntax itself, and the context. And on this Text (2 Tim. 2:15), I like the NET Bible note:
‘ “Accurately” is a figure of speech that literally means something like “cutting a straight road.” In regard to the message of truth, it means “correctly handling” or “imparting it without deviation.” ‘
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Amen…..Robert, I believe this person does not desire truth at all. I think this is a person allowing the enemy to use them to cause discord and strife. Just as I allowed the enemy to use me last night, so many of us allow this, oftentimes repenting for it to God, and to the person whom we’ve offended. It is my opinion, as I can’t judge this person, but the Bible tells we will know by the fruits people produce if they are genuine or not.
This person is misled and, I believe, wants to believe false doctrine. I think, at this point, Jesus Christ Himself could come here and tell this person exactly how it is, and they would argue Him too. This is the case when someone is willingly blinded to the truth, and God can do nothing about it because it is their will..and He can’t go against our will. We need to pray for this dear person for the Lord to remove the blinders and to soften their heart to the truth for the benefit of them ceasing the teaching of false doctrine to those poor souls who do not have knowledge yet…who would be misled by such a person.
God bless you Robert..and God bless you Fred…I mean in no way to attack you, but you are in a dangerous place when you corrupt the Word of God…that is a serious offense. You also disobey Him when His Word tells us specifically not to partake in arguing about the faith. We are to speak truth, and at that point, if one refuses to accept, shake the dust from our feet and move on. I allowed the enemy, through you ,to lead me down a path of sin. I hope before you argue, you might lose your pride and speak to the Lord about this first…as I should have done myself on many occasions throughout my life. We’ve all been guilty of pride and not hearing the truth because we allow our fleshly emotions to get in the way.
Time is short, Fred..whether you believe it or not. Those who truly know the Lord are fully aware of this..we watch for the signs and we see them fulfilled each and every day. There’s no time to continue playing in the devil’s playground, Fred.. I sincerely hope you will go to the Lord with a pure heart and seek His counsel..and I hope you will hear Him, and I hope you will repent. I have to repent for things often..none of us are perfect. What’s worse is not even realizing or acknowledging that we have sinned. When we are no longer hearing the convictions of the Holy Spirit, that’s not a good sign.
God bless.
-Lyn
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@Lyn: Looking at our friend “Fred” here, I can sense that he is advocating some form of “Dispensational” doctrine, having as he mentioned written some kind of booklet here. But there are so many kinds and forms of “Dispensational” ideas and “schema” out there today, and we must be careful and diligent in our study here! I am myself, somewhat of a Dispensationalist, though over the many years I have held to several other classic positions, A-Mill, Post-Mill, etc, so I have been thru the “theological” mill myself! 😉 But indeed the Historical Pre-Mill is the basic biblical and theological position of the Holy Bible! And even certain of the early Church Fathers, like Irenaeus of Lyons, Justin Martyr, etc., were surely Historic Premillennial. But the more modern “dispensational” ideas are certainly more theologically worked out. And here I would myself basically agree, but the biblical search and understanding here has been a long road, itself, for the church, especially since the 19th century, and into the early 20th century, and of course surely with the coming of the Modern Nation of Israel, (1948), etc. I am now what is called the PD or the newer modification of Dispensationalism, called Progressive Dispensationalism. Note here the books by Robert Saucy, and Darrell Bock & Craig Blaising (both written in 1993). The latter are DTS or “Dallas” guys. So this is a big subject, certainly, and we must do our homework here! And in reality this is always an ongoing study, especially! The Prophetic simply is not some biblical chart on the wall, but again Christ, Risen, Ascended & yes Coming Again! May this always humble us! As St. Paul says, “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.” (1 Cor. 13: 9) And “prophesy” here is more so speaking forth the mind and counsel of God, i.e. more “forth-telling” of the will of God. But now, we can only do so with the “Bible” itself in our hand!
I hope this helps! 🙂
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Yes, my gift and calling is prophecy and to preach repentance. It is a very trying calling because people attack you more and constantly challenge you. Oftentimes, the message you deliver may not be what they want to hear, and so you are scoffed, condemned, accused…. the Lord has told me since I was a child what work He had laid out for me, and has confirmed Himself in many ways and on many occasions… still, it is a hard job. I think of Elijah, Elisha, John the Baptist, Ezekiel, and more…they were so persecuted for delivering unpopular messages to the people. God bless you.
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Thank you Robert for the explanation and the benefit of the doubt. Lyn- if you’re not judging me I would hate to see the words you use about someone you are. Yes, I am a Dispensationalist and have been since being born again since ’74. I have studies the works of E.W. Bullinger and can easily see the logical, natural, divisions in the Word. I am sorry my style of communication has offended you in any way Lyn. When most believers hear and see the kinds of things I have written their reaction is somewhat like yours, Lyn. My intention is not to sow discord and strife, but that is unfortunately how something foreign to ones ears or eyes is perceived.
Jesus did not know about the Musterion. When he said some would not die until they saw him coming in the clouds is not = to him getting up from the dead. You need to really look at this Lyn not just come up with some plausible “argument.” He didn’t come in the clouds at his resurrection.
Robert– great call on the “forth telling” aspect of prophecy; not many people are familiar with that. Besides this type of prophesy in a corporate setting, my wife and I have each operated personal prophesy to individuals. We also speak in tongues and interpret in a corporate setting.
Thank you both for hanging in there with me. I hope we can continue this dialogue. I think it is very valuable. God bless.
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Fredswolfe..I did not get to read all of your message..but saw the first part…all I have to say to you tonight…as I’m not taking the bait…is God bless you..Jesus loves you very very much. Let the Holy Spirit flow… talk to you later!
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As soon as someone says, “Jesus did not know,” I hoist my red flag.
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Amen Dave..me too! I’ve heard a lot of people saying how the Bible was written by men, therefore we can’t trust everything in it one hundred percent! That one always really gets me! The Bible is written through the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit and has been proved over and over again! God bless u!
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Yes Amen Lyn: Standing and speaking for Christ, really IS the Christian Life! It always begins within the revelation of the Word of God, and our own conversion or “regeneration” ‘In Christ’! WE know nothing without “spirit and truth”! And we ourselves as Christians live in that biblical tension of the ‘Already but not Yet’.. ‘In Christ’! Luther called us as Christians in this life: Simultaneously a Sinner & Saint, (Rom. 7: 13-25).
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@Fred: I myself have almost everything by E.W. Bullinger! He was a Low Church Anglican btw (as myself somewhat). Though I do love Luther! 🙂 I did my D. Phil. on Luther’s Ontology of The Cross (years back now). But I love “Bully”! See his: A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament (still in print). I also love his book: Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, (also still in print). And oh yeah I have his, The Companion Bible also. He was a great Christian teacher, and most certain “biblicist”! But, I do not follow his overall Dispensational outline, though in places he is brilliant, as to his general use of Dispensations as administrations or arrangements. But often times “dispensations” do overlap, as we can see really in the Book of Acts. Note, I am Post-trib., myself! The Second Coming and so-called “Rapture”, both are connected in the one Greek article, in 2 Thess. 2:1. (“the coming…and our gathering”). 🙂
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I have worn the binder off my Companion Bible and have his Witness of the Stars, as well as his Greek Lexicon. A friend of mine, is John Lynn of The Living Truth Fellowship,tltf.org. He just finished a video seminar on the End Times and goes into the administrations in much greater detail than I do in my new book. I spend a lot of time in my book on the events of The Tribulation; wrote 2 chapters to Jews and 1 to Muslims.
We are prepared to go through the Trib, but don’t think we will have to. I know there are a lot of people who believe as you do. I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance in Gehenna of this nation pulling a 2Chr 7. I don’t know if you watch it or not but the 700 Club News is great at exposing Christian persecution throughout the world.
Not sure if you mentioned where you live, but I’m in Marina Del Rey, CA.
God bless,
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But we try anyway.
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@Fred: I was born in Dublin, Ireland in 1949, I just turned 63 in late Oct. My wife and I have been living in S. Calif. … So Cal 😉 (Yorba Linda) for the last several years. We bought a nice condo here. My little brother (50) is now an American citizen, he was an American Marine back in the 80’s. Once upon a time, I was also attached, as a RMC (Royal Marine Commando) to some American Marines…3rd Force Recon Co. (Phu Bai, “the Nam”, 1968) Btw, happy birthday US Marines, and Semper Fi!
@Dave: It is hard for us to think about the text where Jesus said He did not know the “time” of the Second Coming? I mean He was and is always God & Man (Creedally, the Nicene “homoousios”.. Christ is ‘very God’). But indeed the whole Kenosis theory (self-emptying) is hard to shallow! I am not sure why Fred believes Jesus did not know the “mystery” of the Church and time of the Gentiles?
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You are 3 months younger than me Fr. Robert. I served in Vietnam ’67-68 and was honorably discharged from the U.S.Navy in ’73.
Scriptures on Jesus’ limited knowledge:
Mk 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. KJV
At this point in time Jesus did not know.
Let’s look at the immediate context:
Mk 13:30-31
Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
KJV
Did that generation pass?
Did the things Jesus was speaking about come to pass?
Here is another gospel account:
Mt 16:27-28 (see also Lk 9:26-27)
“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.
28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” NASU
Did they all taste death?
Did they see him come before they died?
Yes Dave I understand your concern when someone says Jesus did not know something, but instead of a red flag being raised w/o hesitation, a question mark should appear.
I don’t know how anyone can reconcile these verses into anything other than what they clearly say.
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Btw, “Christ Jesus” (from His place of Resurrection & Ascension in Glory, as the Glorified God-Man) gave Paul the “mystery” of the Gospel of the Grace of God, for the Church “Dispensation”, or “administration/ arrangement”! (Acts 8:15-16)
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