A guy goes in for a job at McDonald’s…
“Do you like the ‘Big Mac‘ burger?” the manager asks.
“I believe it’s the best burger in the universe!” he replies.
“Excellent! I think we can use a guy like you. Here’s a uniform and our employee’s manual. Study the book tonight and we’ll start training you tomorrow.”
The next day the guy shows up and begins training. As the boss wanders by, he drops a burger on the floor and casually picks it up, tossing it back on the grill.
The manager intervenes, “Excuse me! What are doing? Don’t you know that’s wrong? Did you even read our book? And by the way, where’s your uniform?”
“Here’s the problem, bro. I don’t believe it’s wrong and I don’t really appreciate you telling me it is. Oh, and I don’t agree with everything written in your little book, either.”
“Oh really,” the manager says, “well I’m very sorry, but you cannot work here. I’m letting you go.”
The guy storms out, but the next day he shows up for work. The manager stopped him at the counter and reminded him he was fired for failure to comply with the company manual and for thinking bad behavior was good.
He protested, “But bro, I believe the Big Mac is the best!!!”
The manager set him straight.
“What you ‘believe’ about our most famous burger isn’t relevant. Even our competition knows how great our burger is, but that’s not enough. You cannot serve here and continue to call bad behavior good, nor can you reject the portions of our policies you don’t agree with. You can show up here everyday with your belief, but it’s a ‘lie’ if you think you have a future here. If you want things ‘your way’ you should probably go to the ‘Home of the Whopper.'”
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Of course this was a fictional account, but it does demonstrate a point about the Christian faith: believing Jesus is the ‘best’ is not enough. The Bible says even satan believes in Jesus.
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” (James 2:19)
The Bible says that true Christians (believers) follow the commands of Jesus that are found in the Bible. Our belief is not merely an understanding of historical data, but a determination to act affirmatively upon that which we know to be true. It’s for this reason we cannot pick through the Bible determining which commands we like and which we reject. It just doesn’t work that way.
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” – Jesus
Calling sin what God calls it (sin) is our leaping off point. We can’t repackage our illicit behavior(s) and call them lifestyle choices, nor can we argue that the Bible was written for a different time and culture. We believe God and appreciate that God cannot lie.
“For I am the LORD, I change not…Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever.” (Malachi 3:6a, Hebrews 13:8)
Servants of the Lord are those who are submitted to God, regardless of how often we ‘drop the burger.’ Rather than make light of it, we recognize our errors without making excuses or worse, pretending they are something else. We don the full armor of Christ, even if it doesn’t fit as well as we’d like. We know we’re imperfect, but we also know by His grace we are saved, showing up to work each day knowing that our future is secure.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:13)
If you would like this same assurance, believe in Jesus Christ similarly. It’s a kind of faith that says you trust Jesus and you desire to follow His ways. It’s also an understanding that you’re a sinner (just like the rest of us) and that you need a Savior. In other words, there’s no way for you to enter Heaven on your own; there’s just one way – through the person, divinity, and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
You can learn more about it, HERE.
Please make note of my new email: avilla316@gmail.com
Thanks,
Andrew
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Here’s the website where I got that information, Ed.
http://www.lightministries.com/id523.htm
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Thank you, sir! And the best of weekends to ya!
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“What you ‘believe’ about our most famous burger isn’t relevant. Even our competition knows how great our burger is, but that’s not enough. You cannot serve here and continue to call bad behavior good, nor can you reject the portions of our policies you don’t agree with. You can show up here everyday with your belief, but it’s a ‘lie’ if you think you have a future here. If you want things ‘your way’ you should probably go to the ‘Home of the Whopper.’”
Uh huh!!! Now let me do a little editing, Dave.
“What you ‘believe’ about Jesus isn’t relevant. Even the devil believes and knows what a great God and Savior He is, but that’s not enough. You cannot serve Jesus and continue to call bad behavior good, nor can you reject the doctrines you don’t agree with. You can show up here everyday with your belief, but it’s a ‘lie’ if you think you have a future here. If you want things ‘your way’ you should probably go to some Protestant assembly”
Honest, Dave, this is EXACTLY what the Protestants have done for the last 500 years, and it has been schism after schism after schism until we have thousands of “churches,” all claiming to be faithful to the Bible and all claiming that the Holy Spirit has led them to believe what they believe. Yet none of them believe in or practice what the Apostles or the Early Fathers of the Church did. How can this be correct?
Dave, I think you’re a bright guy.Your writing certainly seems to indicate this. This is another gentle nudge from me to consider finding the Church that has not thrown out the things that the Apostles taught, nor has given into the world by allowing immorality in its teachings.
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Like the Catholic Church, right? Sorry Fast Eddie, not gonna have that debate you’re craving for. You carry on with your little Catechism and I’ll stick with my good ol KJ. Peace out 🙂
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Yeh, Eddie, forget KFC, way too greasy and too much work! Come on over to
Chick-Fil-A! “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”-Ephesians 2:8-9
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Notice, Frank, that the verse you posted A.) does not say “faith alone” and B.) is something which any well-catechized Catholic would agree with.
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A) Great observation! You just proved my point!
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I like you, Dave. I really do. That’s why I keep kinda nudging you to examine the Early Fathers of the Church and the ancient writings to see that what you have been taught is simply not the Christian faith in its fullness.
There’s a real world of beauty in the Catholic faith that awaits you, if you will just take the first step.
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Like I alluded to earlier, I’m a Bible guy — if it ain’t in it, I ain’t buy’n it.
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Oy vey! Well there’s always purgatory for Sola Scriptura guys like us..light a candle in your beautiful, well-catechized catholic world Ed…maybe we’ll come around…Some people are “always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”-2 Timothy 3:7
Now, are the french fries made from real potatoes?
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Yes. Real potatoes.
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Challenge for you, Frank. Show me the passage that says that the Bible alone is the rule of behavior for the Christian. And then tell me how the first four centuries of Christians knew what to do without a canon of Scripture?
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He said to him, “ What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”-Luke 10:26
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“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.” John 5:39-40
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*scratching my head* Uhhhhhh….Frank, I don’t see that saying anything about the Scriptures being the only source of our understanding or behavior. In fact, if anything, they are somewhat deficient. For instance, there is nothing in them which gives an answer to the Monophysite or Monothellite heresies of the fourth and fifth century. The answer to Christ and His natures, which is important to our salvation, had to be hammered out in Church councils.
And, as I asked before, how did the first four centuries of Christians even know what to do without a completed canon of Scripture? All they had was the OT, and that couldn’t give them any information on how to baptize, what form it should take, or other Church practices. It was up to the Apostles and the bishops who came after them to relate this information by Holy Tradition, that is, by telling the people what the Apostles taught (tradition) and handing that down so that no one came along and made statements which contradicted the teachings of the Apostles.
This was also how the canon of Scripture was defined at the Council of Carthage. Many, many epistles were out in the world, claiming divine inspiration. One of the tests for a writing was if it did not violate the Holy Tradition of the Church, that which the Apostles handed down orally.
And St. Paul even states this:
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
There was no canon when Paul wrote this, therefore, he appeals to that which has been faithfully handed down in an oral fashion.
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“Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.”
-1 Corinthians 4:6
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2Timothy 3:16-17
“ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work.”
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Doesn’t say “ONLY Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is THE ONLY THING profitable for doctrine……”
You read too much into that verse.
The other problem you have is this. What Scripture did Paul mean when he wrote that. There was no NT at the time, was there? So how did these believers in a new religion (as the Jews thought) know how to practice it when the Jewish canon had absolutely NO information on baptism, the Eucharist, the hierarchical structure of the Church, Sunday worship…etc. etc. etc.?
Nice try.
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EVERY good work. That would not apply if you are doing evil work, so examinine yourself in the faith…God wrote it not me. The WORD is His very essence of who He is…your issue is with Him. So when you say ‘fail’ you say that to Him…hence your unbelief and faith in the traditions of men.
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You are stretching, Frank. You are trying to make a connection that is not there. As for the “traditions of men” — I don’t hold to them. The Holy Tradition of the Church is a sure guide for me.
By Holy Tradition, I mean that which the Church has always taught. For instance, there is nothing in the Scriptures which speaks about abortion directly (“Thou shalt not abort your baby”) but the Fathers of the Church back in the first century were addressing this issue. It is a position of life that the Church has held for almost 2 millenia.
And, as I said, I became a convert from 25 years of Protestantism after studying the Scriptures with a concordance and the writings of the first Christians. Everything fit together in a way that Protestantism did not. It answered all my questions for me.
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PS. Regarding Ed’s statement that there is nothing in the Scriptures which speaks about abortion directly.. “Thou shalt not abort your baby”…Seriously?I disagree…The law states “thou shall not kill (murder)”-Exodus 20:13…And that the Lord hates “hands that shed innocent blood” (Proverbs 6:17)…the spirit of the law and the very nature of the act is contrary to God’s word and commandment. Abortion is murder that sheds innocent blood…that conclusion is clear from the plain reading of Scripture. Any game playing with words is evil.
So there is, in fact, something that directly says abortion is wrong, hated by God and sin…the WORD is sufficient. How could you not understand clear meaning and intent of Holy scripture in order to support you position that God needed church fathers figure it all out? This is the type of stinkin thinkin at the heart of your argument and the Roman Catholic church (and other denominations in error)…it’s Nonsense!
Indeed God’s WORD is sufficient on it’s own and needs no man, church or denomination to validate it whatsoever! God doesn’t need us, period.
As it is,written: “…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”
-2 Peter 1:20-21
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You may have heard the saying; ” the OT is the NT concealed and the NT is the OT revealed”…Paul was referring to the WORD (OT) and the TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ, “the WORD made flesh that dwelt among us” (John 1:14)
They were Jews, and were very much aware of the practice of ritual immersion, or mikvah (baptism) and the Passover, (forshadow of communion) That’s part of why so much attention was given to the baptism of repentance of John, (as the forerunner of Christ..(Malachi 3:1) and the Passover fulfilled as communion in Jesus Christ (Matthew 26:26)
As Jesus, the WORD of God (Revelation 19:13), said:
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.” -Matthew 5:17-20
That’s heavy stuff bubba!
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And the other problem Frank, is this: WHO gets to interpret the meaning of the Scriptures? With 30,000+ non-Catholic denominations out there, tell me the one that has the correct interpretation. Then show me their authority to do so. Where did Calvin get the authority to create new doctrines? Where was that authority given to Luther? To any of those who left the Church? I can show you the Church’s authority:
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. (Those who reject the Church reject God’s authority, and are acting like pagans)
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. (The Church is the pillar and ground of truth)
2Co 10:8 For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed: (Note the authority that St. Paul, as a leader of the Church, claims to have. Authority is passed down from generation to generation, just as Paul gave it to Timothy)
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“WHO gets to interpret the meaning of the Scriptures?” The Pope?
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Dave! Surely you know better than that. All the major doctrinal decisions, such as the defense of Christ’s deity at Nicea, were done in council. We see this in Acts 15 when the first Church council ever met and they hammered out the issue of whether or not the Gentiles had to be circumcised before entering the Church.
It is the Church as a whole – represented by the bishops – who have done this. There is, in fact, a story of one such man who was elected pope and declared his intention to change longstanding dogma — and dropped dead the night before his ordination.
Christ uses the Church and the authority he has set over the Church — not lone rangers.
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In regard to the Pope’s man-given authority:
“Christ Jesus left you this sweet key of obedience; for He left His Vicar, whom you are all obliged to obey until death. And whoever is outside his (the Pope’s) obedience is in a state of damnation.” St. Catherine of Siena, MCH, reference #374, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 5: “The Book of Obedience”, Chapter 1: “There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Pope”).
“We confess that the Pope has power of changing Scripture and of adding to it, and taking from it, according to his will.” Roman Catholic Confessions for Protestants Oath, Article XI, (Confessio Romano-Catholica in Hungaria Evangelicis publice praescripta te proposita, editi a Streitwolf), as recorded in Congressional Record of the U.S.A., House Bill 1523, Contested election case of Eugene C. Bonniwell, against Thos. S. Butler, Feb. 15, 1913.
“We confess that whatever new thing the Pope ordains, rather it be in Scriptures or not in Scripture, and whatever he commands is true, divine and salvific; and therefore ought to be held by Lay People in greater esteem than the living God.” Roman Catholic Confessions for Protestants Oath, Article IV, (Confessio Romano-Catholica in Hungaria Evangelicis publice praescripta te proposita, editi a Streitwolf), as recorded in Congressional Record of the U.S.A., House Bill 1523, Contested election case of Eugene C. Bonniwell, against Thos. S. Butler, Feb. 15, 1913.
That’s scary stuff right there.
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Okay. I’ll look into this and get back to you, Dave. Do some research, I will, because this has the whiff of BS about it, kind of like the false stories of Maria Monk or the phony Jesuit Priest, Alberto Rivera, whose falsity was exposed, not by a Catholic organization, but by Evangelicals. Anti-Catholics have produced absolute whoppers in their desire to disgrace the Catholic Church.
And I do find it interesting that the all the popes since the beginning have neither added nor subtracted from Sacred Scripture, but rather, it was Luther who wanted to take a scissors to James and Revelation.
See you later.
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You worship the church instead of the Lord of the church. You have lost Him in the incense…
Just because you say you were a protestant at one time, doesn’t mean you were ever born again at any time. (John 3:3) I was a card carrying Roman Catholic cathecized, hypnotized, and paralyzed and I wasn’t born again either…You’ve obviously spent a lot of time pouring over all kinds of opinions and minions peeling back the onion skin of human wisdom…You’re a teacher of Israel and you don’t know these things?
I’ll tell you what, Ed, you pray for me and I’ll pray for you, and let’s see what happens…My prayer is that we will be able to meet each other in heaven.
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I kind of thought that with a nice Polish name like that you may have been Catholic at one time. You know, it is rather arrogant to tell a person that he has not be born from above when you don’t know that person or his life.
I’m sorry for you, Frank. You are one of many thousands (millions?) of Catholics who in the last 200 years were not catechized at all. Then you had an experience of conversion, and decided that it was part and parcel of whoever told you about Christ Jesus and explained the Bible to you.
I know. Been there done that myself. Was very religious as a young boy, but no one catechized or worked with me at all and my parents had no religion (God only knows why they even bothered with Church on Sunday). So without guidance and training, I grew up and knew nothing about Christ. Oh, I could recite the Creed by memory, but that didn’t do anything to my heart or my relationship with Christ. And because of that, I got rather deep into sin.
When I had my conversion experience, I just figured that since the Pentecostal minister who “led me to Jesus” must be right in all that he was teaching, so i blindly followed him and others like him for the next 25 years, never stopping to think that there may be more to Christianity than the religion of folks who came along 1500 years after Christ and invented their own doctrines.
I understand. I do.
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The Holy Spirit instructs and interprets through the WORD…Jesus Christ himself is the WORD…men are sinners, in case you haven’t noticed, and are completely helpless without the work of the person of the Holy Spirit. Flesh and blood did not reveal to Simon bar Jonah (Peter) that Jesus is the Christ (Matthew 16:17)…notice how fast Peter is used as a tool of Satan after that glorious moment (Matthew 16:23)…
Henceforth, man stinks at living righteously and apart from Jesus Christ, (the Word) can do nothing. (John 15:5) So we see a pile of historical trainwrecks, cults, denominations and religious efftors falling short throughout time…Jesus wrote to letters Seven churches in Revelation.
I point you back to the WORD, interpreting the WORD:
As it is,written: “…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”
-2 Peter 1:20-21
Without this understanding, Ed, man is like a body walking around without a head…wandering around and falling into the tar pits of the doctrines of demons…and in dire need for the Holy Spirit to give him a spiritual wedgie.
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Yes, Frank. What you have said is exactly my point. Questions for you.
1.) Why do you think it is impossible that God chose the Apostles and the descendants of that office, the bishops, to divinely protect from making error?
2.) How do you know you got it right when there are so many other non-Catholic Christians with whom you would equally disagree and yet they would also claim to be led by the Holy Spirit?
3.) To whom was the Lord speaking when He promised the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth?
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QUESTIONS FOR BIBLE ALONE CHRISTIANS
Click to access QuestionsforBibleChristians.pdf
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“He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony.
He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
-John 3:31-36
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This is not an answer to my question or the link I posted. Frank, anyone can toss around Scripture without comment. I expect better of you. 😉
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Quite frankly, I prefer to post more scripture without comment than more comment without scripture.
“All Scripture is profitable for correction” not all comments, I think the living and active word of God can speak for itself in context of the posting.
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Frank, if the living and active Word of God was truly able to speak for itself by itself, there wouldn’t be hundreds of different doctrines coming from the reading of the same Bible by different people.
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Jesus Christ is called the WORD if God in Revelation19:13 and He is the WORD made flesh that dwelt among us in John 1:14…was Jesus able to speak for himself?
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I can defend the Catholic faith from the Bible. Remember, I’m a convert after 25 years of being Protestant. The Bible was all I ever studied and it was what I used to check the teachings of the Church. And remember, the Catholic Church gave the world the canon of Scripture! 😉
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Ed, please explain everything a person would need to know in order to get to eternal Heaven. If you can, please number the steps.
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Hello, Dave! Thanks for talking with me on your blog. I assume that what you are asking is this: “How do I get eternal life?”
Let me put up some scriptures and then we can discuss them if you wish.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (What was Jesus answer? he told the young man that he needed to keep the commandments.)
So that’s one verse, which seems to tie in with this verse:
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Who are the “these” in this section of Scripture. Going back to read over it, it is those who fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited the prisoner, and cared for the poor. They received eternal life.)
These verses correspond with this verse:
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (Note those who come forth to the resurrection of eternal life. It is those who have done good. We seem to be having a certain theme here, don’t we?)
What does St. Paul say, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: (Well, there’s that word, eternal life. And notice in the context of the surrounding verses, which I omit for brevity’s sake, that it is the Last Judgment and the giving of eternal life. Paul says that those who have continued in well doing [good works] shall receive eternal life.)
There are more verses which say the same thing, but I really believe that what you were asking is this: how does one become saved? Salvation and eternal life are not the same thing, according to the Scriptures. How is one taken out of the condemnation of the world and united to Christ? Again, allow the Scriptures to answer that.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Repent and be baptized, for the remission of sins. With your sins forgiven, you are adopted into the family of God as a child of God and have an inheritance in heaven, as shown by these verses:
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you.
Salvation is the free gift of God, given without works by being baptized into the covenant family of God. As with all families, there is an inheritance that awaits the children — in our case, the glorious gift of eternal life with Christ.
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Is that your exhaustive list? I don’t see anything about the Catholic church?
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Well, Dave, you did ask me about eternal life and not about what part the Church plays in it, right? 😉
Of course, if Jesus was right about this:
Jhn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
then the Catholic Church is the only place one can receive eternal life, isn’t it?
Why is the Eucharist so important? Because eternal life is not a state of living in legal forgiveness such as Protestantism promotes. It is union with Christ and the sharing of His divine nature. (2Pe 1:4) A legal declaration of “Not Guilty” does not do this anymore than reading about baseball is the same as actually playing the game.
We are made for union with Christ, and He has analogize our union by using marriage (Bridegroom – Bride of Christ). The greatest act of love in marriage is not sitting around staring at the marriage certificate. It is entering the nuptial bed and having the two become one flesh. The Scriptures say the same thing about our relationship with Christ and how intimate that relationship is. We are called “His Body” and that points to that one flesh union. We become one flesh with Him when we receive His Body and Blood in the Eucharist.
The Eucharist is the foretaste of that complete union we shall experience in eternity. THAT, my friend, is truly eternal life. And as long as we maintain that union with Him, we have and continue to have eternal life. Of course, we must first be saved from the state of death which we have inherited from Adam. When that happens, we become the Bride of Christ, He enters into us through the Eucharist, and nurtures and feeds the “new man” (which St. Paul speaks of ) through union with us.
This is something much more profound than the Evangelical understanding of forensic justification (a paper decree in heaven saying we are not guilty).
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Jesus Christ sez:
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”
-Matthew 5:17-20
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Great fast food parable Dave!…I’d like to say “I’m lovin’it.”…as the commercial says…and the jingle sings…But in light of your ‘special sauce’ analogy, and the scriptural link between love and obedience Jesus gives us; it’s more accurate to say: “I’m lovin’Him!”…Here’s to forsaking the golden arches for the streets of gold…Ronald McDonald for Righteousness in Jesus Christ, and the Happy meal for the Marriage supper of the Lamb.
Now, are the french fries made from real potatoes?
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I’ve lightened up on Mickydees since they came out with their ‘pink slime’ rebuttal video.
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